tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621995982503387078.post5441710414025074501..comments2024-03-25T12:06:32.583-05:00Comments on THE ARCHETYPAL ARCHIVE: VIOLENCE *AIN'T* NUTHIN' BUT SEX MISSPELLEDGene Phillipshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621995982503387078.post-27802277506264736182009-12-11T13:07:37.090-06:002009-12-11T13:07:37.090-06:00Sadly, the recent JOURNAL upgrade has reconfigured...Sadly, the recent JOURNAL upgrade has reconfigured things so that the link in the main article no longer takes one directly to the "superhero decadence" article from 2007, but to the current Journalista page.<br /><br />I imagine one can find it with some looking, though I wouldn't rule out its having been given the deep-six. It's happened before.Gene Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621995982503387078.post-38042424107370287142009-12-05T14:06:35.877-06:002009-12-05T14:06:35.877-06:00Charles, your line of thought here is no different...Charles, your line of thought here is no different from the one I critiqued from Sean Collins in Part 1 of THE DIVIDING LINE, which *you* should have read before making this post.<br /><br />Summarizing quickly, I showed that though Collins attempted to remodel the definition of superhero decadence to apply only to incestuously-ingrown superhero mythologies in general, and though Deppey approved of this re-definition, it did not erase the fact that Deppey's original post was about the artistic worthlessness of grafting pseudo-mature concepts onto a genre meant "for children."<br /><br />I pointed out that while one *could* use Collins' re-definition to attack such clean-cut "fanwanks" as any Roy Thomas continuity-fest, as well as the more sexy-violent stuff like BLACKEST NIGHT, the Thomas stuff could not be accused of any "pseudo-mature" content and so Deppey's ridiculous example of the "Supergirl fuckdoll" would not apply across the board.<br /><br />In short, I think Deppey's comment about "sexual deviace" was just a smokescreen against the inevitable counter that there's a lot of "sexual deviance" in the "really mature" works promoted by He Who Should Not Be Named (at least in this response).<br /><br />I also believe that the word "decadence" automatically carries the connotation of eroticism and "sexual deviance" no matter how much one tries to hedge around that fact.<br /><br />I don't imagine Gershon Legman and Fredric Wertham shared much in the way of literary tastes, any more than Wertham and Deppey do, but what all three have in common is the elitist approach to discerning quality, with which I continue to disagree.<br /><br />Charles, I think you can do better than these niggling comments, so in my next post I'm going to challenge you and all comers to do more.Gene Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621995982503387078.post-33722709997147176182009-12-04T10:56:03.697-06:002009-12-04T10:56:03.697-06:00Dirk's a lover of manga -- hardly a Werthamite...Dirk's a lover of manga -- hardly a Werthamite. Anyway,<br /><br /><em>Anyone who cares to read it again will find that he presents no textual evidence for his view that this violent exchange between the above characters, Supergirl and Batgirl, carries a sexual charge for either the creators or the majority of the audience reading it.</em><br /><br />You should've read his comment again before making your post. Dirk:<br /><br /><em>By “decadence” I don’t mean sexual deviance, but rather “jaded but unwilling to move on, with one’s tastes growing more ornate and polluted in the process.”</em><br /><br />That image works well enough to show this.Charles R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09017194183349815246noreply@blogger.com