The assertion that Batman was obviously not better than the Spirit was made in the comments-section here.
I hesitate to invoke the Theory of Modes so soon after writing BUFFY THE MYTHOS SLAYER, which essay, to those not versed in Fryean categories may, seem a little like walking in on the part of HAMLET where Polonius says:
"The best actors in the world, either for tragedy, comedy, history, pastoral, pastoral-comical, historical-pastoral, tragical-historical, tragical-comical-historical-pastoral, scene individable, or poem unlimited. (Hamlet, II, 2: 392-396)"
I could well understand it, then, if a reader found it difficult to follow both the four narrative *mythoi* I derived (with only slight changes) from Frye (comedy, drama, adventure/romance, and irony) plus the four underlying myth-themes (my word), anagnorisis, pathos, agon, and sparagmos). I can perhaps best explain them by saying that they are all phases through which writers conceive the "power of action" given to fictional characters within their fictional world, and that though a writer may borrow storytelling elements from any of the categories the telos (narrative purpose) of each story generally hews to one division more than to any others. Each category has validity in itself and none is inherently inferior to another (contrary to an opinion expressed by Theodor Adorno, to the effect that great literature was defined by "negativity": in Fryean terms, irony a la Kafka).
In the BUFFY essay I mentioned that it wouldn't be hard to conceive of the show as a "drama with adventure-elements," though I demonstrated why I felt that there was a better case for the opposite: "adventure-with-drama-elements." In comparing BATMAN and THE SPIRIT, though, I am dealing with two works that I deem both fall dominantly into the category of the adventure-mythos. Also, I consider both of them to be "superheroes" (though I'm currently working on a better critical term for the narrative typologies they share).
It is certainly possible, within the exemplars of a given mode, to say "X is great but Y sucks." The modal theory is not made to excuse incompetence, but to spell out how different creative modes succeed in different ways. Thus, if a work falls dominantly into the adventure-genre, then it stands or falls as to how good a job the creators do in evoking the thrill of the agon. In that respect I find the two subjects on equal ground, even when comparing Eisner's SPIRIT (which pretty much lasted the length of the Golden Age before its cancellation) only to BATMAN comics of the corresponding time period.
HOWEVER, one *can* fairly argue, though, that purely in their evocation of certain *subsidiary* elements, SPIRIT was better than BATMAN or BATMAN than SPIRIT.
For instance, of the two SPIRIT is far better than BATMAN in evoking elements of pathos. On the whole BATMAN scripts of the Golden Age are better-constructed melodramas than most other costumed-crusader stories of the time (see my remarks about Jerry Siegel's writing here), but Eisner and his collaborators are clearly better dramatists than any of the Bat-creators. Some, though not all, of the credit goes to the visual style Will Eisner pioneered for the strip, which could be used as easily for serious drama as for rough-and-ready action. By contrast, though BATMAN of the Golden Age had its share of moody visuals, those visuals generally served only the purpose of heightening the action-sequences.
On the other hand, because BATMAN is more of a "pure adventure" concept, and so is more divorced from consensual reality, BATMAN is much stronger than the SPIRIT in terms of evoking mythopoeic fantasies. As much as I am attracted to the pathetic elements of SPIRIT, I find relatively few of the stories possess the element of mythicity. That's why, when I made up my "Library of Mythopoeic Comics," I only selected a particular exemplar of symbolic complexity, the "Jimson Weed" tale, rather than including the whole gamut of SPIRIT-stories.
And while it's true that there are many BATMAN-tales that don't reach that level of complexity either, dominantly the BATMAN feature became a place where popular myths could thrive and grow. Some of them became widely famous through adaptation into other media, like Joker and Catwoman, and some remained confined to obscurer parts of the Bat-mythos, but the process that allowed such characters to grow symbolically was not duplicated by Will Eisner, whose focus was more upon "ordinary people" rather than extraordinary supercriminals.
(I've noted here that "ordinary people" can in theory be as "symbolically complex" as the more outrageous creations of fantasy, but one still has to bring to those ordinary people a sheen of the extraordinary within the ordinary--which I don't think Eisner did.)
Naturally, for anyone minded to judge Eisner's SPIRIT to be a pure drama, there would be no point in comparing it to an adventure-opus like BATMAN, as the primary myth-themes of each would be too divergent.
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You sure spent a lot of time just to dance around the fact that, in terms of both writing and (especially) art, SPIRIT is the clearly superior work. And I can't imagine anyone calling either a drama.
It's nice to see that your penchant for selective reading remains undiminished.
Two easy questions for you.
(1) Let's say that I *did* agree with you that the best of BATMAN never comes near to THE SPIRIT in terms of technical excellence.
Can you conceive the possibility that the Joker is still a better villain than the Octopus, even if all of the Joker's stories (in BATMAN) are technically inferior?
(2) Is a melodrama still a drama to you, or is it just some strange mutant offspring, as I guess it is for Gary Groth?
1. You're shifting the context: I was responding solely to the question about early BATMAN versus THE SPIRIT, not all of the former. There are Batman stories which are every bit as good as The Spirit's. Some later development with The Joker has made him a great villain, but I don't reduce that to his original appearance. So, yes, he can be a better villain than Octopus, just depending on who's doing the creating. So, no, I don't think the creative team is unimportant to how good a character is.
2. I don't know what this question is about. I was responding to this:
Naturally, for anyone minded to judge Eisner's SPIRIT to be a pure drama, there would be no point in comparing it to an adventure-opus like BATMAN, as the primary myth-themes of each would be too divergent.
Your post wasn't clear about accepting the limitations of my Golden-Age-to-Golden-Age comparison, so I thought that you were expousing an unconditional "Eisner's SPIRIT is better than BATMAN as a whole," which is the dominant critical view these days. That's why I myself switched to speaking of "the best of BATMAN" rather than "best of Golden Age BATMAN."
My point remains the same, even going back to the original limited comparison. There are some lousy Joker stories in the Golden Age, but some of them are very good insofar as creating the persona of that villain. The stories themselves might not be exceptional, but the essential characterization of the Joker is as good as anything Eisner did with Octopus or Carrion or the rest.
For that matter, I would even rate some of the Bat's more minor villains-- say, the Cavalier-- over those of Eisner, because the former make better continued opponents, and so contribute more to the mythos of BATMAN.
My comment here--
"Naturally, for anyone minded to judge Eisner's SPIRIT to be a pure drama, there would be no point in comparing it to an adventure-opus like BATMAN, as the primary myth-themes of each would be too divergent."
--was made just to entertain and eleminate the notion of THE SPIRIT as being primarily in the category of drama (which by my reckoning includes melodramas). Many individual SPIRIT stories do have the structure of melodramas, and others are outright comedies, but I think Eisner never entirely abandons the tone of the "masked crimefighter" genre. I have seen some writers speak of it as if it were something apart from that genre: the Groth eulogy, for one, takes pains to draw comparisons between THE SPIRIT and light comedies and dramas. I was clarifying that these comparisons, however felicitous, don't adequately characterize where THE SPIRIT stands in terms of genre (or, to use Frye's term, "narrative mythos.")
Your post wasn't clear about accepting the limitations of my Golden-Age-to-Golden-Age comparison, so I thought that you were expousing an unconditional "Eisner's SPIRIT is better than BATMAN as a whole," which is the dominant critical view these days. That's why I myself switched to speaking of "the best of BATMAN" rather than "best of Golden Age BATMAN."
One of us must've been selectively reading, or not reading, this:
On the whole BATMAN scripts of the Golden Age are better-constructed melodramas than most other costumed-crusader stories of the time (see my remarks about Jerry Siegel's writing here), but Eisner and his collaborators are clearly better dramatists than any of the Bat-creators. Some, though not all, of the credit goes to the visual style Will Eisner pioneered for the strip, which could be used as easily for serious drama as for rough-and-ready action. By contrast, though BATMAN of the Golden Age had its share of moody visuals, those visuals generally served only the purpose of heightening the action-sequences.
As for your point:
My point remains the same, even going back to the original limited comparison. There are some lousy Joker stories in the Golden Age, but some of them are very good insofar as creating the persona of that villain. The stories themselves might not be exceptional, but the essential characterization of the Joker is as good as anything Eisner did with Octopus or Carrion or the rest.
That's why BATMAN's as good as THE SPIRIT? I'd say your post offers enough evidence of why the above isn't enough.
Your 'selective reading' remark makes no sense. I switched to talking about "BATMAN as a whole" because I thought that's what I assumed you had done.
There's no sense in your quoting my quote either. I said that SPIRIT was superior in terms of the dramatic/melodramatic pathos it could evoke, and I'll even add that its comedic elements were generally executed than those of the Bat. (Keep in mind that BATMAN was aimed only at young kids, while SPIRIT may've been originally designed to appeal to young and old audiences.) But the radical of an action-adventure series is excitement rather than pathos or humor, and in that department I think BATMAN does quite as well as SPIRIT.
Is the Bat-art less polished, less "cinematic?" Sure, but in contrast to the unimaginative art of Joe Schuster, early contributers like Robinson and Roussos got across a raw power in addition to the moodiness I mentioned before, which I consider a plus no matter how derivative some stories may've been. In addition, precisely because they and their fellow creators were so involved in pulp culture-- rather than reaching out of pulp toward tonier material, as Eisner sometimes did-- they created a resonant cast of characters, and even if one doesn't like the Golden Age material itself, the resonance was something that later authors could pick up on. Arguably this happened with whatever articulations of the Joker you consider superior.
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